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david

"While some environmentalists claim that parts of Ocean Beach house vulnerable species that are threatened by the presence of dogs, many of SF's dog loving folk enjoy using Ocean Beach and tout it as a valuable exercise and socialization resource in the urban environment--something key for our city's dogs."

In other words, SF dog owners dont give a shit about the vulnerable species.

Sandy

David, I don't think you should assume that the dog people don't care about vulnerable species. There are many questions about whether any resident species on Ocean Beach are threatened in that environment. I refer you to the Ocean Beach Dog web site where the community group has posted a lot of indepth information about this issue: http://oceanbeachdog.home.mindspring.com

Steve Sayad

Brent Plater regularly uses the "David" name as an alias, so he is likely the source of the comment. More importantly, there is no legal definition (certainly in the ESA) of a "vulnerable" species. Such language is just jibberish. The only "threatened" species in any of the off-leash areas within the GGNRA is the Western Snowy Plover. However, despite the desires of so-called "environmentalists", U.S. Fish & Wildlife has refused to recognize any area in the San Francisco Bay Area as "critical" habitat for the WSP. Accordingly, nothing that goes on in the few areas where the WSP roosts (on portions of Ocean Beach and Crissy Field) can have any impact on the ability of the WSP to survive. Also completely lost by "David" is the fact that the 1979 Pet Policy and the 1996 Compendium Amendment (both the product of the GGNRA) make clear that any off-leash dog disturbing wildlife (or people or anything else) must be leashed and the owner may be fined. The Pet Policy involves a small amount of land (less than 1% of the GGNRA) and provides adequate protection for the WSP. Finally, within the last two years, studies (unbiased studies, not GGNRA studies) have shown that the feeding habits of the WSP at Crissy Field are not affected by off-leash dogs, and that off-leash dogs do not pose any significant threat to the WSP. The actual threats to the WSP, particularly at Ocean Beach, come from its true predators, crows and sparrows, who have been brough to the area by human garbage left on the Great Highway. Don't blame the dogs.
On the subject of the bill just introduced by Nancy Pelosi, she has, in her zeal to develop the areas under the administrative jurisdiction of the Presidio Trust (such as building a museum of modern art) lost sight of the fact that the deeds conveying former City land to the GGNRA (such as Ocean Beach and Funston) clearly state that should the GGNRA deviate from its recreation-first mandate, the lands shall revert back to the City. That might actually be a welcome result of the rather devious bill put forth by Pelosi for the purposes of development of the Presidio.

david

David here (not Brent Plater).

I have learned that dog owners will do and say almost anything to justify their desires to let their dogs run off-leash and that includes disputing environmental/health/safety research. Steve, I like how you put the names of those you disagree with in quotes. You prove my earlier point about your ilk doing and saying anything to justify letting your dogs off leash.

And steve, I dont blame dogs for this. Dogs run, dig, piss, shit, bark, bite and all that cuz thats what dogs do. Thats what a lot of animals do.

I blame selfish, greedy entitled dog owners who think that because they pay taxes, or dont have children, or whatever, that they DESERVE public space to let their dogs do what dogs do.

-David (not Brent)

Steve Sayad

David, aka Brent:

Every one of the things you attribute to dogs (in a negative way of course) is also a human attribute and something you have the capacity to engage in and humans regularly engage in. But, because you are human, you claim the right of superiority over dogs, and even over dog owners. You also apparently could not care less that Pelosi's bill (which is the subject here) will eliminate all forms of recreation from the GGNRA. Perhaps you do not use the Park, but those of us who did, and those of us who were promised a miniscule amount of land for off-leash recreation, and who fought for and won that right back in federal court, do care. It's not too much to keep less than one percent of the GGNRA for off-leash rights, rights that require people to pick up after their pets, which seems to take up most of your obsession. If you do not pick up after your dog, as you do not pick up after yourself, you are subject to citation. Come to think of it, what did you do when the two recent discharges of your waste took place in the Bay. Did you get out and clean it up? Or did you turn yourself in to the authorities? Of course you did neither because you can't deal with your own waste except to forget about it once you're done.

Maayan Gordon

I have loved dogs my entire life. I now own a black labrador/aussie mix and i am training a guide dog puppy who is a lab. I have worked in two vet clinics and i loved beeing able to help animals in need. I have also previously raised and trained a guide dog named Garth who I now miss very much. When I was younger my family owned a wonderful and energetic peach colored standar poodle named Sparky and two cats. One white siamese named angel and one brown grey tabby named lucifer (after the cat in cinderella). Because of my love of cats and dogs I decided to start a store for pets so I can continue to help and provide for them.

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